Monkeyfist's Election Watch

Nader and the Greens

Working For Change coverage of the nader campaign.
posted by (eBijan) at 5:02:41 am

(eBijan) ""Screw the corporate media!!" young women screeched when Brokaw asked about Nader being "spoiler."" Scream it sister!

So, is Gore's losing good or bad for Nader/Greens/Left/Progressives.
posted by (eBijan) at 2:10:48 am

(kendall) both... :>
(kendall) May make coalitions on issues a lot harder to build, since Dems will be pissed at us for a long time
(eBijan) Can we use this to kill the DLC?
(kendall) Whether accurate or not, it makes Greens nationally look just like Greens in NM starting in '96: spoilers from the left who try to pull the Dems leftward, which will tend to hurt the DLC
(kendall) and since Gore didn't take a single non-centrist issue, DLC can't scream that the candidates leftism hurt them, like w/ Dukakis

Ok, it's down to FL. Niether Gore or Bush can win without it. So that means WI DOESN'T MATTER!!!
posted by (eBijan) at 1:43:42 am

(eBijan) So you wimpy, scared Greens for Gore, you WASTED YOUR VOTE! It absolutely didn't matter but it could have helped Nader.
(eBijan) And, y'know, if Gore loses FL, you will have UBER-WASTED your vote. You would have voted for Gore and still gotten Bush.

5% bid appears dead, ala.
posted by (kendall) at 12:01:29 am

(kendall) locally, it seems that TX stays on ballot

Zinger quotes. Post howlers here.
posted by (dru) at 11:41:27 pm

(dru) "nader exists as the figment of someone's imaginaton" -- Mike McCurry

Debate Impact?
posted by (kendall) at 11:06:59 pm

(kendall) Be nice to find out what impact debate had on voter decisions.
(dru) Its effect on me was to reassure that both major parties are firmly against democracy in America.

Does Nader message need tweaking?
posted by (kendall) at 11:04:00 pm

(kendall) when you can't get most of the votes from the people who agree with you... what does that mean?

NPR talks about the "mischief Nader did to Gore's campaign".
posted by (eBijan) at 10:52:11 pm

(eBijan) Nader doing well in exit polls in Wash.

High turnout, good or bad for Nader?
posted by (eBijan) at 9:43:40 pm

(eBijan) Short term--bad, since a higher turnout depressed the Green percentage.
(eBijan) Long term--maybe good. It's blacks and unions. Gore will clearly owe them big (if he wins) and they'll know it.
(eBijan) If Gore (as it likely) doesn't pay up, they'll be ripe for wanting to punish Gore in 2002.
(kendall) i think the support today for gore proves that unions and blacks are forever locked to the Dems.
(eBijan) This means that Greens have to push this line, not just argumentative though. I.e., they need to be good allies in obvious ways.
(kendall) Yes, and that's true regardless. :>
(kendall) So we can certainly agree with that.
(eBijan) True. Perhaps the value is just propagandistic against the greens. We can say, "Look at that! Those should be our votes!!"
(eBijan) Or rather, "Look! These are real political organizations! We should take them seriously."
(eBijan) After all, it's not just the votes, it's the politcal organization.
(eBijan) Plus, I really do think it's Fear of Bush and not Love of Gore.
(kendall) Of course it is, but that doesn't make 5% :>
(eBijan) Unlike with Bill Clinton who really resonated with Blacks.
(eBijan) That's why I think their coming out so hard for Gore is a boon for greens/progressives. Gore will flub it.

Tight race through the midwest really hurts Nader
posted by (kendall) at 9:43:01 pm

(kendall) this is so disheartening since many folks will vote Nader in the West if Gore were ahead comfortably
(kendall) since it's going to be very close, West Coast progressives are going to depart Nader in droves, and that will almost certainly destroy Nader's chances to get 5%.
(eBijan) Well, one can hope that during the "gore spurge" earlier this evening week kneed Naderites voted.
(eBijan) Of course, such folks will wait until the last minute.

You gotta love that it being very close in the East drives up voter turnout in the West, where Nader's strongest. Yeah!
posted by (kendall) at 8:03:41 pm

Ack. Zoe's back. They had already sent the ballot's "downtown". Dang!
posted by (eBijan) at 7:58:45 pm

Zoe's off to count write-in votes for Nader!
posted by (eBijan) at 7:48:25 pm

(eBijan) We didn't get on the ballot. We were told that we wouldn't get our write-in's counted.

Past Green Party Election Results
posted by (dru) at 7:30:24 pm

(dru) goes back to 1986, and lists Greens currently holding office

With 1% precincts reporting, Nader has 2%.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:24:43 pm

(eBijan) That's good! Especially considering that the states in question are not exactly Nader strongholds.
(eBijan) It's probably all VT's doing! Go Vermont!
(eBijan) Ha ha ha! Buchy's sucking out, and the Libertarians are behind Buchy! :)
(eBijan) Not that this means anything. 1%!

Bush + Gore = Bore

Money spent in pres election.
posted by (eBijan) at 5:32:30 am

Both parties want 'self-financing' candidates now
posted by (kendall) at 5:28:23 am

(kendall) I prolly churned this earlier, but I still can't get my mind wrapped around them saying this publicly and often.

CNN and NPR both retract their FL and thus their whole election calls!
posted by (eBijan) at 3:45:21 am

(eBijan) Unbe-fucking-lievable!

10 days for all the "absentee overseas" ballots to come in in FL!
posted by (eBijan) at 3:27:40 am

(eBijan) 10 days without Bush or Gore!

FL is down to 600 votes for Bush!
posted by (eBijan) at 3:06:46 am

(eBijan) Is this unbelievable or what?

Bush or Gore elected president!
posted by (dru) at 12:31:13 am

(dru) "My fellow Americans," a triumphant Bush or Gore told throngs of jubilant, flag-waving supporters at his campaign headquarters,
(dru) (so says the Onion)
(dru) hehe " Waving to acknowledge his supporters, the Ivy League graduate and scion of a political dynasty called for "a time of renewal and rebirth in America."

Alaska says: "Mow down our wilderness, please"
posted by (dru) at 11:38:59 pm

WA ballots won't be all counted for days.
posted by (kendall) at 11:11:19 pm

NPR says that Gore is still campaigning!
posted by (eBijan) at 10:50:46 pm

(eBijan) Over 30 hours without sleep, he's calling radio stations in the West (well, until a little while ago).

Wired's backgrounder on election coverage sites
posted by (kendall) at 10:12:54 pm

Exit Poll Backgrounder
posted by (kendall) at 10:12:32 pm

Evote Watching Guide
posted by (kendall) at 10:12:10 pm

Bush breaks 200.
posted by (eBijan) at 9:46:42 pm

(eBijan) MO puts Bush at 2something, and putting FL aside drops Gore to 165.

CNN uncalls Florida
posted by (kendall) at 9:31:37 pm

(kendall) it's probably Karl Rove fellating someone at CNN.

Bush pulls ahead on the CNN map (well, 185 to 182 electorial votes :))
posted by (eBijan) at 8:57:39 pm

CNN calls NY Senate for Clinton
posted by (eBijan) at 8:36:28 pm

(kendall) I can't be super happy about that, though prostate cancer is cool!
(eBijan) NPR calls it for Hillary.

NPR just projected Gore win in PA
posted by (eBijan) at 8:25:26 pm

(eBijan) CNN called PA for Gore.

Rejoice: Bushes got the bad news re: Florida at a family dinner!
posted by (kendall) at 8:14:36 pm

(kendall) "So, Jeb, why'd you let Georgie down in FL?"
(kendall) "Aw mom, I told you our Cubans hate his Spanish!"

Corzine in NJ -- spent $60M -- picked up the open seat for Dems
posted by (kendall) at 8:04:03 pm

(kendall) $60,000,000!!!
(kendall) How about a cap on personal spending in elections?
(kendall) Sure the Senate is the rich white man's club, but sixty million dollars?!?!

Maclarty rubs it in! :>
posted by (kendall) at 7:59:55 pm

(kendall) "It must be bittersweet that his brother couldn't save Florida for Gov. Bush." -- yeah, Mack, we know you're crying!

Bush takes AL
posted by (eBijan) at 7:59:19 pm

(eBijan) And he can have it.

Lieberman was elected to Senate
posted by (eBijan) at 7:51:25 pm

(eBijan) The slimeball. If Gore wins, his senate seat basically falls to the Reps.
(dru) Not suprising, considering Gore's apathy towards funding for Dems in Congressional races
(eBijan) I think Cockburn wrote that Gore basically sabotaged the 1996 congressional elections (by holding back funds) in order to keep Gephart out of the Speaker's seat.

NC went to Bush.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:47:11 pm

(eBijan) No surprise. I'm SO GLAD, I wrote in Nader.
(eBijan) My voting for Gore would have been a HORRIBLE waste.

Goodness, the websites are lagging way behind TV and radio in calling elections.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:46:00 pm

(eBijan) Plus, I really do think it's Fear of Bush and not Love of Gore.

They're rolling in. NJ, Mass, and a bunch of others to Gore.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:44:03 pm

In North Carolina the Democrat (Mike Easley) won by a wide margin.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:41:24 pm

(eBijan) Maybe this will help our hog poop troubles.
(eBijan) Err. won the governship.

Gore took MI according to NBC and NPR.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:40:46 pm

Yahoo's up-to second standings
posted by (dru) at 7:39:31 pm

Gore just took Florida.
posted by (eBijan) at 7:29:59 pm

(eBijan) BWHAHAHAHAHAHA! Too bad Dubya! I guess Jeb really does hate you!
(dru) NPR says that Repubbies have "huge absentee ballot advantage"
(eBijan) And you can bet Jeb won't be running for prez until you're out of TX.

Early, early results; GA and VA are closer than expected, FL too close to call
posted by (kendall) at 7:13:59 pm

(eBijan) Robb lost in VA; gain for Republicans in the senate.